Don't go away mad...just go away. LOL. What a wuss. So you get mad at me cause YOU lied and I called you out on it.

I don't know what I'm suppose to be looking for in your brain article. What was the point of that. I sincerely don't know.

The other link says EXACTLY what I told you in the other thread about beginners and weight lifters returning to weight lifting...does it not?

You just PROVE my point with your own link in the carb cycling link. I don't need to read anything else but this exact quote...

"The Logic Behind the System

There are two inevitable truths when it comes to building muscle or losing fat:

1) To increase body mass you need to consume more calories than you use.

2) To lose body fat you need to consume fewer calories than you use."

LOLOLOLOL. Ok maybe this next one will give you at least some crediblity.

While the last link makes for an interesting read, I didn't read all of it. It appears to be a version of what I told TomC about cycling carbs.

You seem to be another one of these people who simply cannot and will not read before opening their mouth. While I admire your attempt at what ever it was you was trying to do to me, you simply failed and humiliated yourself and as far as I'm concerned, only solidified what I was talking about in my posts as one of your sources that I quoted clearly pointed out.

This time your mouth overloaded your exaggerating and lying butt when trying to prove...what ever it was you was trying to prove to these readers.

No need to leave, just swallow your pride and watch your lies and exaggerations and don't come to a gun fight unarmed...or in this case without anything to back up your silly claims or anything to discredit me. If the truth hurts...tough. You started this, be a man and suck it up when you get your butt handed to you. Maybe next time you'll get me.

No hard feelings on my part. You just proved my facts even more with your links. Thanks. I'll give you a karma point.

TomC wrote:


Tom,

Let me know if my threads answered your question(s). If not...then I'll consult my Hong Kong Book of Kung Fu and get you the answers to your questions.

If your Lean Body mass is staying the same, but your Body fat is not moving then you are building muscles. If you wish to burn fat then you'll need to create a caloric deficit. You could try putting in some extra HIIT cardio first before playing with your calories. Then try the carb cycling I told you about, then if that fails adjust your caloric intake. If it was me...I'd lower your carb intake by only 10-15% and see if that helps. There's no "one" solution sometimes and there's no "one size fits all" with diets and percentages. Hopefully one of these ideas will pay off for you.

I apologize for bringing up such a heated topic.

Both of you have some facts. The problem is, this is a public board and people can take what they want out of it. If what Luckey said wasn't correct, you can just say that it is his opinion, and isn't backed by facts.

Being a board warrior won't get your point across. In all honesty, most people probably stopped reading your post after the first couple of sentences. You had given me some information, so I figured it was common courtesy to read your opinion.

I look forward to attempting the carb cycling methods, but I also believe that diets are HEAVILY based on the person. The heated debate shows up from the comment "You can't gain muscle and lose fat at the same time." While I guess I am no expert and do not have any hard data to back my claims up, how do you explain that I did just that? Last cycle I lost about 8% bodyfat and easily built muscle.

(Was it more that I was building up muscles some days, and then leaning out other days maybe? Maybe the "not at the same time" just means within a single workout or even a single specific exercise?)

Either way, lay down the facts, but don't be rude about it if you could. I appreciate both of your responses.

Actually this all boiled over from the Part 2 thread. He was basically calling me a liar and exaggerating things I said and got mad cause he got caught. I clearly pointed this out. It had nothing to do with your question.

If you do not believe my answer then you are welcome to google your question like I did and see what you come up with. You'll find that I told you correctly. You are also welcome to google my sources and see for yourself that they are, indeed, credible...where as his, while perhaps interesting, are not even in the same league as mine if you even want to call them "credible".

"Burn the fat, feed the muscle" by Tom Venuto
"Everything you wanted to know about about fat loss" by Chris Aceto
"The New Glucose Revolution" by Dr. Miller and Dr. Wolever, which is a NY times best seller.
They also have reviews for these books on amazon, I will let the reviews speak for themselves.

These are some of my sources, not to mention my excellent grades (A's) I made in college while going to school for nursing in Anatomy 1 and Anatomy 2. These books say the same things and from taking my college courses I know them to be fact. A far cry from a few links I would say. These are just some of the sources. I have many more.

As I pointed out in my last post to luckybear, his very own posts back up what I said. Again...since you don't think me too credible now because I defended myself against someone lying about things I said and exaggerating them...you can read his links also.

Either way is up to you, it doesn't matter to me. As I told Luckybear, I can't force you to believe these authors and I won't even try.

First of all....if you look at your own words you said your "BF wasn't moving much", but you are building muscle. Now you are claiming a much bigger percentage (8%), or so it seems. It's kind of hard to give you an answer when you change the meaning of your situation.

Since your "facts" have appeared to change...here is a modified answer to (I think) your question..... there are genetically gifted people who, even though it's rare, can indeed burn fat while building muscle at the same time. You very well may qualify in this very small and rare group. However, this is not the way you sounded before and certainly not in this thread until just now.

As I said...you are a rare gifted genetic person OR you lifted before and are returning to it and your muscles are getting back to where they were before OR you are a new weight lifter and yes...you will see some muscular gains while shedding body fat, but these last two will stop building muscle at a certain point. I've said this twice before.

You didn't give me very much information to go on and yet indirectly criticize me for not being a mind reader. I know a lot, but I do not know everything.

Since this is not a contest (for me) I have no problem with you picking and choosing who you believe based on someone's personality instead of their actual information content and sources. Perhaps you handle things better when someone lies about things you've said just to make you look bad for no reason. I do not. I attack back. I will not apologize for defending myself. I did nothing and said nothing to the man before he started bashing me. Again, it has nothing to do with your question, but since you seem to base your opinion about my answers on my personality and my argument with Luckybear, I thought I'd let you know the facts.

Yes, you are correct. There is no general diet for everyone. Every diet and exercise regime is based not only heavily, but solely on the person's individual body response which is unique to them.

The values changed because the 8%, the total weight, the muscles, etc, were all in my first cycle of P90X.

The questions I am talking about now are all based on my current cycle of P90X which is doubles, when previously I did classic.

While I could go back to exactly how I did it in my first 90 days of P90X, I was just seeing if I really had to or not.

If you really want my help, I'll recite every book if that's what it takes. I actually enjoy helping people.

So...to be clear, you are or are NOT losing body fat NOW? If you are not, then you need to increase your exercise frequency, duration, or intensity to create a calorie deficit. I'd do that first. Then you could try cycling your carbs...and then if that doesn't help I'd reduce your calories from your carbs by 10-15%. One of those should help you.

If you are building muscle AND losing body fat now, no matter how slowly, then consider yourself one of those few rare, genetically gifted people and do not change at thing. The "why" behind it does not matter. If it works, stick with it until you plateau.

For most people they either need to lose body fat and then build muscle. Most of us cannot do both at the same time.

If your diet on the first 90 days did what you wanted, then I'd go back to that. There would be no need to change anything.

At this point...I really don't know what exactly your question is. If I haven't answered it then consider me stupid and be more specific. LOL.